SamT. Try going to 3d Commune and getting my Prop-o-rama packs from Freestuff. There are 3 packs, each one full of weird and wonderful primitives that Poser doesn't have. Just search for maclean. I don't know if that specific shape is in them, but there are about 80 shapes, all of which you can use to build other things. Plus, you can re-distribute them, since I don't give a s**t. LOL. mac