A close friend of mine who worked for years for LucasArts as a tester claims if you've been working without a complete bug list-- you've really not been testing at all. For that matter if there was no overall Test plan, there was never any hope of finding root causes and/or major fixes. I was so hoping that at least in the beta forum, you had a complete bug list. I thank all of you for the major discovery work on SR 2.1, because, without it, I'd be sol for Poser 5 and I couldn't take the library mess anymore on ProPack. And quirky though it is, I like FireFly. And I'm getting to adore the materials room. Like you the other ones are mostly locked and barred-- I curl hair occasionally but I never make it from scratch. Emily