you know- i was thinking of using this thread to point out something to a young artist i am working with (age 13, my son) to clarify a point i have been trying to make for the last 3 months. Kinda shot down that idea right about post 64 sigh oh and the banner that popped up. I was thinking of just copy pasting this into another prog to show him but it wouldn't have the same effect. Ah well another learning opportunity lost...