Reason to load another graviton: the gravitons for the G props aren't supposed to show up in the heirarchy editor or props menu, which means they should not show up in the 'point at' menu either. They're sort of 'silent partners'. Don't worry about loading multiple gravitons, though. They use the same geometry as the ground plane -- 1 face and four vertices and not visble. That wouldn't even slow down a commodore 64. B^) Hmm. The square isn't one I have heard of... I wonder if P5 is changing the graviton prop settings on load somehow... ? I suppose if that's happening it may also show up in menus that it's supposed to be hidden from. You could check the object properties for the graviton itself to make sure that it's not visible. i could change the lightcolors and intensity too. but i has nothing to do with beeing props or figures. when using props from the L folder and change the parameters i get the problems. sorry, no fix :-(( I'm sorry, that confused me. I don't understand what you're saying. GraphicFoxx did this image in P5. He used the light from the votive and reparented it to the Staff of Light and was able to change the colour settings and render it with no problems.