Goe a new render. Allow me to state that this robot's torso is one of the most complicated shapes I've ever made, despite appearances. That's just one strange shape and it doesn't easily come out fothe shape for any primitive. I patch modelled it from raw patches, extruded and seperated the middle, converted both to an editable poly, removed redundant bits and hand-optimised them, clone the one side over and welded both sides to the middle strip. Yeaghghgh!