OK Sam. I've been messing around with uv mapper (free one) and it ain't going to work. Sorry for my misinformation, but it's been so long since I used the free one (I use uvm pro), that I'd forgotten what it does and doesn't do. The box model in uvm classic can't be built to the poly size you want. You only have a choice of dimensions. In uvm pro, you can do all this stuff. Therefore.... I strongly reccommend Anim8or. The 'bear's arse' effect can be avoided quite easily. LOL. mac PS Hey cooler. Long time, no see.