You know something? The fact that he modeled it all himself is impressive, and if he's looking for work as a modeler that's cool and I hope he gets the gig :) But I'm an artist, I get paid for pictures. Not models. So I'd need to make this guy and his six buddies in less than a week. And then do a set of at least ten shots with them running around and shooting things and drinking in a bar and whatnot. With the right clothing models, and a lot of time texturing almost anyone could make that image using Poser4 and Michael. The only thing that would be tricky is the lovely backlighting on the hair, and P5 would get that easily. I like DAZ's products because they are flexible, fast and easy to use. I can build an entire unique 'personality' in about half an hour. For my current project I'm building armies of unique background figures using various resolution version of Mike and Vickie. The fact that all the Victoria based products work evenly across Lo-resV, V1, and V2 means I can customize my mesh density for the use of the character. Even though V3 does not take V1 and v2 based products right out of the box means nothing ... with a small amount of tinkering I can use everything I have already on this flexible new figure. The fact that I can then turn the figure into a range of male characters impossible to get with Michael? added bonus. I'm looking forward to Mike3, even though I don't like great big muscular things myself, I'll be needing a few mutant bruiser types for the story ... 'Scuse me ... not sure where that rant came from :) Lyrra