enough with the name calling guys ... Carolly is an amazing pro artist, worked with many great companies. Not her fault if the pointy haired bosses drove them to extinction. The whole make it yourself bit is a) old and B)pointless I don't have time to build a whole figure from scratch. I'd rather pay the lovely people over at DAZ so I can use theirs. That way if something goes wrong I can get someone else to fix it :) The model above is gorgeous ... but even if he released it I'd have to spend huge amounts of time making it usable for me as an artist. Time is money, and I don't have enough of either. Lyrra