I use both Poser 4 and Poser 5 because some products made for Poser 4 don't work as well in Poser 5, but I do find myself using Poser 5 more and more. My graphics aren't beautiful but they are in a gallery under my username. The lack of artistry is not the fault of Poser 5...it's mine. I do find that the more I use Poser 5, the easier it is for me to use and the better I like it. I know not everyone agrees but that's how it was for me. The last patch cleared up most of the problems. I am not saying it is perfect by any means, but I am also running it on a Windows ME with not much power behind it. I find it a heck of a lot easier than my current struggle to learn how to model. :(