That wheel is seriously cool, I think Bryce is an underestimated piece of software, I just wish the renders weren't so slow! I've never used anim8tor but it sounds like its spline modelling tools leave a lot to be desired. Can you build point by point (detail up) in animator? I think the few car tuts I've looked at worked this way. If not I'd stick with Wings and try Subdivision modelling from a cube, I think you'll get a cleaner more efficient mesh. Of course things like the wheel arches will be a little tricky, Wings could really use some Boolean ops! I was reading a couple of work rounds last night but gave up they were so complicated! Cheers, keep posting. Baz