ok this is kinda ticking me off... i wrote the equivelent of a small essay in here :P and it didn't post... sigh such is life... ok anyways i think i will add landing gear... sometime ;) thanks everyone for commenting... boney- great idea! i'll werk on that too... just one question- dremel? can you tell i havn't modeled (physically, that is :) ) for a while? and jstawarz2- i don't think i'm gonna put it in the free stuff- mainly cause i can't upload to my site (:P don't ask) instead of emailing it i think i'll just try to describe how i made this right here so here we go... the handle is simple a cylinder set to positive grouped with a stretched sphere set to intersect (for the curved shape). the bumpy shiney middle place thingy ;) is one main cylinder forming the base and about 30 cylinders arranged in a circle around it (i moved the origin handle to the center of the big cylinder and mult-replicated). the small cylinders were then cut by negative cubes (i think it was cubes...) to get the 'ridge' thingys... hehe... the blade itself is all cubes, positive and negative. i'm sure you can figure that one out if you look at an x-acto knife while you're doing it :). Gecko