Thanks dodger, Now I see what's happening. I did get mine working, but there was no geometry appearing in poser. That's because I used PhiBuilder on the obj and the PHI read 1 Figure xyz My obj group didn't correspond because the g line was g Figure 1 When I changed the PHI to match, I got a weird poser message about out-of-whack gimbals. I'll do it by hand this time. mac