Oye, Pharsyde! You haven't seen the LightWave3D or C4D manuals, have you? ;) Let's see, between LW3D, C4D XL R7, C4D XL R8, and BodyPaint3D module (for R8), that's 9" thick of manuals (!!!). I've neither read all of LW's or BP3D yet. Why are my eyes crossed? :) As always, all things come with time.