OUCH! LOL...well that saying about all things come in time...I agree with that whole heartingly...took me 2 years to master completly all the features of Adobe Photoshop 4.0....though now I am using 7.0 with new things to learn =p... I got Poser 4 Pro Pack as a gift...Mt mother knew I was into 3D animation and creating 3D rendered characters but honestly...I never worked with any type of program that is 3D ever...It was just me and my Adobe Photoshop...I don't know anything about Poser and I am not exactly sure what you do with it other than make 3D models... but other than that...I have no idea what it is capable of doing...I did play arpund (I do mean just play around) with 3Dsmax for a lil while...I am new to not only Poser but everything that is in the 3D art world... BeatYourSoul- all those programs you listed I have NO IDEA what they are...not sure if I need them to be able to make all the beatiful artwork that is featured in this website... I do have a goal though...I want to be able to make 3D fantasy artwork with characters and backgrounds...I want to be able to make elves...monsters...dragons...and the likes...that is my goal...I do not know what I need besides Poser4PP to do this... I went to sites that suggest that using Bryce, 3DsMax, Lightwave, Photoshop are all great programs to use alongside Poser...As I said...Poser4 was a gift that I never asked for nor I knew existed...I do want to know everything I can do with it...I have been reading the manual though I still feel a little in the dark because the manual seems to explain things that a more knowledgable person would understand...This is a whole new world for me and I want to grasp it no matter how long it will take! Thus far I know I need seam guides to make textures for whatever reason....I am trying to learn how to prepare them for using inside Poser...ahh well...it looks like I am going to be a very lost newbie for a long while...I just hope this phase won't be longer than it needs to be =/ back to reading my manual! Perhaps I need to find a Poser Bible like they have the 3DsMax Bible that shows you stp by step all the features within the software and how to use them...That is what I REALLY need! -Pharsyde the Lost