I don't see how anybody could call that weak. We have seen a tiny glimpse of a very ambitious project, and that tiny glimpse is stunning. I love when I have seen. And I also have to say that I have loved all the things I have gotten from DAZ and they have shown a commitment to quality products and customer service (ok, it took a while, but I got a resolution to my problem). And they keep getting better... Victoria 1.0 vs Victoria 3.0, anyone? Personally, I can't wait. Even if the intial offering is a rendering engine that can only "tweak" pz3 files. Best, e.d.