"Uhh...Excuse me ..I'll have 2 tombstones,......to go! 8 )~ Thanks,handprint I almost always perform some kind of procedure on a preset I don't usually start from scratch. The first thing I do ,is try different mapping modes, then I try different scaling,and rotating the texture, then work on the bump maps and do the same. These materials here ,have different textures driving the Bump channels. I usually play with optics, like speculartiy, color,diffuse, etc.last. I'm sure everyone has different ways of approaching materials. I normally dont document the procedures,and perhaps I should, Just explore the materials and texture editors. Play, Play, Play. Thanks again Hawkfyr

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