Greybro, I understand your point and your obviously you are very passionate with your thoughts, but we also have all those things, we may have lots more that we are not informed about. Mike was in Vietnam, it was horrible for him, he was in the thick of it in the DMZ, he has seen things he wished he never saw, he did things he didn't want to do, he understood why he was there, to fight for freedom. He was treated as an outlaw when he came home, as a killer. And in all essense he was, because he believed in what he was fighting for. We both feel that there is and always will be a price to pay for war. We do not know all the facts only what we are told...and to be honest with you, we do not feel we have been told everything and maybe not even the truth. I don't trust this man either, but I don't trust alot of our leaders. Do you? I will end this here, it is going nowhere, these are only Mike's and my thoughts and feelings. We are not here to convince you to believe what we feel. Just thought it was time to speak our thoughts on this matter. Sharen