Nice to see you folks at Poser Pros saw this thread, and couldn't resist bashing the artist's work. This is sadly much more predictable than perfectly dressed Vickies in the Renderosity Poser Gallery... G The flag is not a perfect flag, if anyone cared to note. The artist is showing that even though the flag is not perfect, its soiled and torn, its been run through hell, I'm still proud to be American. I'll still pick it up because its MY flag, because it represents MY values. If we let the conservative agenda claim the flag as THEIR symbol and take it away from the average American, then sure Americans might be on the road to Nazi hell. I hope that's not the case. I have a picture around here somewhere of what it looked like then, with EVERY house having a Nazi flag hanging outside it. It was actually the LAW to do that, you'd go to jail if you didn't fly a flag! Well, I'm proud to be American too. I live in Germany now, because my love happens to be German, and he can't find a job like he has here so easy in America. So... easier for me to live here. Its by no means perfect here either, I often don't like the politicians here any more than I like the American ones, but there ARE some notable religious controversies that go on in the US all the time that are absent here... and that's relaxing. (I hate to invoke Godwin's law here, but since someone had to talk about National Socialism, might as well throw in my two cents.)