Wow, these are excellent Pete, thankyou! I'll upload them to the site today and add a post here when they are ready. I'm still trying to figure out my free copy of xfrog, but doubt that I'll ever be up to making anything as complicated as that *g* I've mad a small spindly tree and used the C4D pluging to port it to vue, but have found that most of the meshes are *way* too dense for my pc to cope with in Vue. If there is any interest I'll up the tree too. Thanks Angela
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