I didn't know that Photoshop/Illustrator had an electronic manual. I'll check it out. The reason I haven't used the manual that came with the CDs is that I recently moved to the UK for university. Software manuals aren't exactly the lightest things in the world and if I were to bring them along with my leisure books(I'm an avid reader) I'd be carting probably about 50 or 60 lbs of just books. I figured it was just easier to leave them at home and buy a book here. And as slynky said, if manuals were all people needed, there wouldn't be a market for other "how to" books. Manticore PS it was nice to have the 3th reply to my question be an implicit accusation of piracy.