Bast, since I was among the people who commented on your Ayesha character as well as canarys recent post, Id like to respond. First, my references to Ayeshas origin was more a point of curiosity than of criticism, and I thought you answered my questions about her very appropriately. Second, I dont think anyone here is trying to set forth some model of typical African, African-American, or any other kind of ethnic beauty, for that matter. It's great that this software provides us with the tools to create such variety. Somewhere in Fractal Designs archives are several letters I sent to them after the release of Poser2 asking for models with a greater variety of ethnic and body type features. But I do get upset when anyone suggests that a typical example of black beauty is a fair-complexioned woman with straight hair--and on occasion that has been suggested. Thats a myth thats still pervades popular media--primarily because the folks on Hollywood Blvd. and Madison Ave. that perpetuate those images constitite a fairly homogeneous ethnic and social group themselves. Third, lets not let this degenerate into a your blues aint like mine contest. Theres probably lots of others in this Forum who know what its like to be the only raisin in a rice pudding. Finally, I believe the general spirit here is that all constructive criticism is welcome, and I dont think anyone has said anything that was meant to be hurtful. However, I also believe we it should be remembered that when we post an image at the Forum we are inviting comment, and not all of it will fall on the plus side. This forum would be useless if we were not allowed to disagree with each other. People who have a problem with that should probably say that they prefer not having members react online to their images. Again, folks--lets chill out. Peter (Dr Zik)