ok, here is the results. I think I am going to leave it at this and start working on making a map for them. As you can see by this picture, there is still a little bit of poke thru in a few areas although no where near as bad as before. I think that would be solved by making the hip/buttock/thighs invisible underneath which most people do anyway. The figure on the left is with the Bishonen bodytype 2 stretched and all with the pants conforming. The one on the right is with the thigh hidden. Now this pose is a pretty drastic pose from the original P4 action pose library for the dork, but I wanted to try it out. Do you think this would be passable for a freebie? I mean is this amount of poke thru ok?