Hey Obi Van, ya got a good 3d app there, the thing that gets me is I tried a morph target a while ago (several months), and it worked!!! Now, like a dufus, I have absolutley no idea how the heck I did it! TS4 is what I use for my props for Poser4- got some classic Star Trek stuff, ninja sword, and a couple o guns, and I'm working on a Guges LandMate suit from Appleseed. If I find out about the morphs, I will be very happy... Enjoy TS4! Later...