<< Still, it's nice to have both >> Yep, no argument:) It's always great to see a (real world) product that's 'just right' -imo. Elegant design, well made, works well, easy to use / maintain etc (not too many around these days) I suppose this is what we'd all like re wings - and I wouldn't argue - especially re user prefs for customising UI etc, because there's no way one UI will please everybody all the time :) I only made the comments I did because of the situation here - ie limited time /resources,(although it often doesn't seem that way!) and in this context I'd always like to see better / improved tools etc - rather than the reverse. There's also an interesting discussion re whether 'looking more professional/commercial - like the 'rest'' is good or bad? Job for the pub one night when it's catting 'n dogging? :) pp