Like Goff Club? Or more Punk or Raver or something? I dunno what kik means... but the bondage trousers could go to either Goff or Punk... I've even seen them on some ravers. Same with fishnet shirts, though for the proper goth look they should be fishnet or spiderweb hose with a hole in the crotch and finger holes so it can be worn as a shirt B^) I think the biggest drawback to bondage pants is the strap problem -- it can't be parented by both the shins and work, and Anton's body handles trick wouldn't work on it either because the trouser legs should pose normally. On the punk side of things, I have been giving some thought to making a hoody, complete with optional bottlecaps for the hood and with a bonus spool of dental floss for the sewing of the patches. Okay, that's the gutterpunk side of things to be specific.