Well, I never could figure out how to do anything in bryce other than click on that little mountain thingie at the top and have a wireframe mountain show up in the viewing window. Couldn't move the mountain, couldn't find the camera controls to move the camera, heck I couldn't even find the camera at all. Couldn't change the viewing angle - totally useless. Just like the TrueSpace interface. Impossible to wrap my brain around. Spent days trying to do anything in Bryce and never managed to make a single render (couldn't figure out which doohickey was for rendering) but had an image rendered in Vue an hour after I installed it. Go figure, huh? Kate (who just got an offer for a free upgrade to TrueSpace 4 something and is gonna pass cuz TS 3 was such a waste of time)