I think he was referring to the option of making alpha planes in Bryce 5. ie rendering a bryce tree, saving the textures and applying them to alpha plane in Vue. (Forgive me if I am wrong donhakman) For variety. With Bryce 5 the tree builder is very powerful. I only wish Vue 4 had the tree builder like Bryce's. I do agree the over all quality of Vue 4 trees are better but you either have to download new ones, or make new ones in an outside program.