I'm with fauve, except, without ECII, I don't think I could come up with the results even in a couple of days (relative beginner). This is also one of my first "playing around" attempts, and is the Poser5 version (sorry, couldn't find a temple - must get some glasses) ECII is just too much - it adds so much more than the standard lights or my miserable attempts at creating my own sets. And Poser (5 at any rate, don't know about the earlier versions) looks to be very critical of lighting. A "must buy", in my opinion.