WOW....ROUND 2.....DING DING <<boxing reference. I didn't expect this many posts. LOL In defense of myself, and my novice abilities thus far, I have tried the fir trees effect in the editor, but I agree with Pete, the ydon't look very realistic. I know that the approach that I am trying will cause HUGE render times....ask Gebe about the last pic I uploaded..LOL. I just really would like to see if there is another way to randomly seed terrains. JD's idea is a good one, and I'll try that. I see the PROS in BOTH types, alpha and scatter, I just like to make things difficult I think. Thanks ALL, Akenaton