Yeah, I know.. Xurge has Bryce, and also mentioned higher levels with some 2d program (forgot what).. I figured it'd be a good chance to either a) work on Bryce skills or b) paint a pretty picture. If you want to do the scene in painter, by all means, do it. Bryce is just one possibility for how to approach the matter. The most important thing about these challenges is to have fun. Otherwise, what's the point? =) Rosh