I really like P5. I unisntalled P4 and won't reinstall it. I'm on Win 2000 Pro, 500 Mb RAM, 1.5 GHz pentium. With the new patches it doesn't crash more often thant P4 did. T he pose room, libray manager, set up room and procedural materials are well worth the price. The hair room is best left for animations. The face room is cool but only works with Judy, and I am a Vicky addict. The cloth room looks promising. I'll try it when I have mastered the material room. The firefly renderer is slower, but there are workarounds. The first one is to use procedural textures and not texture maps, something Poser 4 users are not used to. Firefly is not perfect, but at least it is definitely better than Poser 4 renders, especially for close-ups (if only because it can smooth polygons, even if it sometimes gives strange results). All in all, I'd buy it again (but I'd wait for all the patches to be released before I give away my bucks). Compiler