hartcons: You use C4D, LW, and C? What are the advantages of this combo? I am just curious, I use C becasue of it's ease of use and price. If I could justify spending the money on LW or C4D for a hobbyist, I don't know if I would use Carrara. Basically, although I like C, why would you use it if you have LW and C4D, whcih are two of the industries major apps? What does C offer that C4d and LW do not? As for modelling, it seems to me that either of these should be able to out do C's spline or vertex modeler? -Paul