Wolfie, I'm gonna agree with you to a point - I too think there's too many WIP pics, especially considering 75% of the time you never see them again when they're "complete"........ But as to the statements about Photoshop, I'm sorry I totally disagree. Unfortunately my justification by using Ansel when I first read your comments has already been taken up.... and as for the comments about dust spots - well, if you get paid for what you do by the number of 'items' you produce, and you have a quick and easy way to finish something and move on, or a long, hard way that isn't as good in the results dept. which do you use? Yup. Photoshop. I'm not a professional, I can't spend the next 5 years locked in a darkroom learning these effects 'traditionally' but I want to produce what I 'see' in my mind. So I use Photoshop. That's means I produce work that I couldn't 2 years ago. These pictures give me pleasure, and by posting in the gallery have given other people pleasure. If the photography gallery was split into 2 galleries -'pure' photo's and 'postworked' photos - I'm pretty sure I know which would get the most hits......the pure photo's would probably be full of pets......... ;) he he. (",)