This has been a most entertaining thread! I came to learn what ECII was and does and I certainly did! Thank you dialyn, Paul and all! Tomorrow if not tonight I will purchase it and grab that little gadget Paul made...just in case my XP does a ME :) I simply have to find all the ways I can to make up for the fact that I cannot use Poser 5 with Vue d'Esprit :) And Momcat...you are right....if it can do anything in 3 minutes in Poser 5, it's gotta be good! :) I wonder....since this does not use the Poser lights, does it also solve the problem that Poser 5 has with some third party lights (where you have to turn off the depth mapping and use ray trace to keep from freezing up)???