Thank you thank you thank you for your quick reply. (by this time my patience, what little I have of it, is completely gone!) I'm printing this out to make sure I don't forget something. I've gone through the tutorials from Serge Mark, but i'll head over to Phil's site and see if he has anything on it. Oh, and the first thing I did before even opening Poser was load the service packs on it. I wouldn't say I'm good at poser, giggle, but I know enough to know it's sorta like Microsoft products . . .no good until at least service pack 2. . . .8D