That sucketh, big time! I'm another mug who pre-ordered, and even worse... I still haven't installed it. My own fault really. I bought it for a simple reason. To keep up with current developments in poser and make sure the stuff I made was going to be compatible. Plus, I figured, I'll end up buying it anyway. Well, that was before the horror stories started. More fool me. I now refuse to install it until I upgrade my computer, which I can't afford to do just yet. So it's sitting, still shrink-wrapped, gathering dust. And would any poor sucker like to buy it? I doubt it. Well, CL must be getting really desparate to get rid of the damned thing if they're resorting to huge price cuts. Roll on, Daz Studio, is what I say.... and f@$k CL. They've got my money, but they don't have my business any more. mac