(repeats himself from the last ten "Radiosity" threads) Obnoxious, I know. But if we're going to use words, then we all need to AGREE on the definitions. These institutions are called "Language", in English. What you are viewing is the softest, sweetest shadows, but again, there is nothing radious about it. Inside Bryce's Ray-tracer, there, at no point is there any information pertaining to reflected rays. Don't believe me? Look at your render report. (shrugs) (beats the dead horse, eats him, poops him out) Try rendering the same truch, in Lightwave, with real radiosity. Don't get me wrong, I love Bryce. Just clarifiyng things for newcomers.