Well, I want to have a program that lets me model my own animals and humans, IN ONE program. Poser lets me pose other peoples artwork(in a very frustrating format), but I am not able to create my own organics. I've come pretty close with Bryce metaballs and lattices. I hope to eventually model an animal with just bryce5. That to me, is the true, challenge and reward. Poser doesn't seem to offer a rewarding experience. Ever noticed that, everybody using poser, uses that same TOO perfect looking Michael. No offense. I really enjoy, some of the poser creatures I see(humanoids and robots)! Crasher is one of my favorite poser artists, because of her originality. I do have rhino 3D, but it looks scary and confusing. With bryce I'm not trying to manipulate a bunch of screens from an outside view. In bryce, it's as if I'm inside of a three dimensional landscape grabbing objects and placing them in a first person perspective. Poser looks similar until you try to grab something to manipulate then everything is unstable and too touchy. There is no logic in how the controls work. I'm scared to purchase poser5. P4 is no fun for me.