You know, I do kind of get a warm, fuzzy feeling when I open Bryce and see that wonderful wire mesh ground plane just waiting for me to put a materal on it. :) Then about 24 hours later, that feeling has really disintegrated my losing my temper and screaming at the program... "WHY WON'T YOU COOPERATE AND JUST DO WHAT I WANT - THE FIRST TIME" And then, I log on to Renderosity Bryce forum and find the answer. Hmmm. Do you think the yelling may be hurting the programs delicate psyche?