If Poser wasn't so tantalizing, I would have given up long ago. But I look in the galleries and see the most incredible images made in the same buggy, aggravating app I'm using, and I take a deep breath and dive back in. If it's any consolation (and it is to me) most of my computer expert friends that have hung out here while I'm working are utterly appalled by Poser's crashes and weird little eccentricities. They can't figure out why any artist would be willing to suffer the level of sheer aggravation necessary to create art in Poser.....And then I take them into the Galleries and show them what's possible and their jaws drop! JohnRender (above) was calling for a Poser 4.5----a Poser that actually worked. No bells and whistles, no fancy features that are unuseable, just a Poser 4.0.3 that doesn't crash or leak memory or hang up on renders so often. I'd be willing to pay serious $$ for it, myself.