Many parts of P5 work fine for most people. Many advertised parts don't work as advertised. Some parts don't work at all. I use P5 90% of the time and am happy with it because of the advances over P4. I'm not happy with it because I made a purchase agreement with CL that has yet to be fullfilled. I do feel cheated too. Not so much by the product as it exists now, but by the way the company handled everything. I was a beta tester for SR2 (as were an awful lot of us). I complained. I think because we complained we were able to get CL and Daz to start talking about the EULA. I think because we complained we got the security code taken out. Most of the complaints were justified. Most of the continuing complaints are still justified. CL built up the hype of P5, and then released a product that wasn't ready. Kupa himself admitted that they knew the product wasn't ready when they released it. The did it because the company needed the money. Is it ethical to release a product you know doesn't meet your advertising hype because you need the money? Not in my opinion. Legally it's fraud. Sure companies do it all the time, but it still isn't right. When the product was unusable by some people, CL wouldn't consider issuing a refund. They did the best they could to fix the problems after the fact, but with so many problems it wasn't easy. I admire them for that. They're still working on the Mac version and SR3, but we don't really get status updates anymore. I'd really like to see a complete, outstanding bug list for P5, compiled in one document of what works, what sort of works, and what doesn't work at all. And now here at the 'sity, we divide into camps supporting or bashing the product and the company. Rumors are started and denied and then come true. People get personal in their jabs at each other. This is the saddest part of the whole fiasco. The second sadest is reading the posts in the beta forum chronologically. It starts with optomism, and slowly sinks into bitterness. However, it is still the best place to research for what works, what you can do to work around the problems, and what got fixed. I hope EGI-Sys comes out of this OK. I say EGI-Sys and not CL because they're the ones running it now. I hope we all eventually outgrow our bashing of each other. I hope P5 gets all the fixes it needs to meet it's advertising. I hope for peace in the Middle East, warm sunny days with just the right amount of rain, and for Oregon's unemployment rate to go down (at least by me). For now we can only wait. And people, please play nice.