Okay, but have you set up a pose where the woman is, for example, seated and bending over, as in putting on her shoes? I don't know about Vicky, but the Poser 4 woman will keep the convexity (inward curve) of her backbone, which is not what we humans really do in that pose, where Eve does the real thing - her spine first straightens out, then begins to bend outward - realistically. That was one of the first things I noticed that was different.