you all have given some excellent ideas for further uses for this when its all done. This would be pretty cool as part of a werewolf texture or similar wouldnt it? That'd make me develop a new way to do this because I'd need better control of the fur color in the chest, neck, and rump area. Im currently rendering another picture thats actually part of the item..but Im gonna crop it so you cant tell what it is yet..lol I also have some additional texturing things to do as I'm working on the mesh technique as well as the fur itself. I think I have the mesh technique down now. When Anton finishes the cat, I'll try making conforming fur for it maybe. lol, and yes..I had already fully intended (as a joke) to include the statement "no animals were harmed during the making of this..." render 2 coming in a bit :) BT