I'm on the bleeding edge of technology, bought the worlds flashest graphics card two weeks after I saw the first review, (and I only went in for memory :) Now the competition, (Nvidia) have conceeded defeat, the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra, that was supposed to dance al over my Radeon, won't actually see a public release. Only those who pre-ordered before a given date will get one at all, and even they aren't being built by Nvidia. Seems they can't build them stable enough in even the small numbers required for such high end kit. Elswhere people are wailing, and making that keening sound that comes from buying a game (Sim City 4 in this case) and finding out that even though you have a fairly decent box, (in many cases easily outsriping the minimum spec.) the game runs like a dog. Once you have more than 5000 people in your city you may as well be watching a slide show. Poser5 cost me less than my Gfx card, and substantially more than SC4. Sim City 4 however, works fine on my PC, Poser 5 doesn't, go figure... :) I actually like P5, I never read manuals anyway, (especially for SC4 as it's in German :) I haven't read manuals for years, not since I taught myself to program in BASIC :) I'm also quite enamoured of firefly, some of the experiments I've done have been quite cool, you can do some really neat stuff in it, but I do tend to regard it as something of a toy. Because mostly, I import stuff I've done in P4 to see what it'll look like in Firefly, sometimes it's good, sometimes it bad, it rarely crashes or locks-up on me. But I just can't be bothered with the hassle. I bought P5 as "poser4 with knobs on" I wanted flash effects with very little effort. P5 is not that animal, it's good effects given lots of effort, and I've got better things to do with my time. Such as playing Sim City 4, dicking around with Victoria 3.0 or watching CNBC. Flash graphics card aside I imagine that there are many people like me, unwilling to read the manual or put in the effort, because they never had to with P4. There's a lesson in there somewhere about managing expectations, but I'll be buggered if I know what it is :) later jb