Aye, JDW I meant no disrespect at ALL, on your part. I appreciate the steps and the techniques for which you are working so hard at! I can't wait to see your next images, for certain. But to answer YOU, Ornlu. YES. Build the entire scene. Pull up the big-boy-pants and just build a scene! The reflection maps we are playing with aren't even very complex scenes, and we've all seen masterpieces of architecture and indoor scenes done in Bryce. And thanks, Dan Whiteside, for clearing up the terminology about these topics. I'll shut up about it from now on! (grins) May you all find water and shade...