I used Correct Reference until it started replacing some correct references with others that weren't correct. Switching between textures, things like that. Sometimes P5 will freeze over an incorrect texture, sometimes it won't. It seems to dislike things it's never seen or rendered before. FireFly Draft runs as slowly as Production-- well, nearly, so I don't use it. Mostly, I get the 2 hour blues. After 2 hours, Poser wants to take a nap. Between that and not wanting to work with things it hasn't seen before, I'm knackered. Sometimes I get the Texture error, sometimes it just freezes on texture gathering or whatever it's called in the render. If I didn't have to render, I'd probably be very pleased with this program. Yup, that pic of yours has a lot in it,Tirjadyn, including dynamic hair as grass. I don't think I could have rendered it. I'm also fairly sure it would have taken me three reboots to pose and set it up. It gave me freezes on simple props, a terrain and one Bishonen-- unclothed. On the other hand, renders of Vicki 2 medium res are super fast generally. Emily