Bryster, what the radiosity/hdri stuff is going on could probably have been one in B3 or below. Had that been figured out back then, Bryce would have been in the theatres instead of Maya and SI and EIU. This is artist cutting edge stuff. The programmers built it, the marketeers sold it, and for a rare treat, we have learned once again that the product is underrated. Bryce never ceases to amaze me.