depending on how its lit, you can render this in p4 and get pretty decent shadows. use spotlights to light it above, play with the shadow settings (set shadow map sizes to 1024, shadow intensity to .7 - .8. make sure your ground plane has shadows enabled, or just use one of the poser primitive props (flat plane) to creae your own ground plane, which you can texture with whatever you want. render witht he p4 renderer with shadows enabled. honestly, ive given up on the firefly renderer long ago... just too quirky for me. in fact, im back to using poser 4 propack, since it renders much faster, even when both programs are using the p4 renderer. cheers, -gabriel