bsteph2069, just no sheep ok?..... I keep reading the posts here every day. It seems to me that we are in a bit of turmoil over several different areas of content. I hope that we soon get it all out of our systems and get back to the matter at hand which is, photography be it straight out of the camera or picture plus. Although I do enjoy a good heated discussion, I feel that some of the recent rants have stepped on toes whether intended or not. And even though I am still a relative newbie to this forum, I feel someone must stand up and say CHILLLLLL!!!!!!!!! I have been in other groups who have had similar discussions that have carried on for to long and driven off members, and caused some of the survivors to become less than enthusiastic about the group from that point onward. I would hate to see the same thing happen to this group. I have a couple of suggestions. One, if someone posts a message that pisses you off, do one of two things, reply with courtesy and respect while stating your view, or ignore, get over it and move on. Two, if you see a thumbnail of something in the gallery that offends you whether it's a pet shot or a rock, don't click on the thumbnail. Nobody is making you look at something you dont want to. Ok, now that I've taken my turn at stepping on toes and pissing folks off, it's only because in the short time that I have been involved with this group, I have learned a lot about taking pictures, been inspired to take better pictures, to share those pictures and met some really nice people who share an interest in photography. And you know what I'm gonna do?, I'm gonna post a picture just to show that occasionaly we do stop "discussing" and actually post pictures. Ok. rebuttle anyone?