Thanks people! I have to admit the lip morph was a bear to get right. And I lucked out somehow and didn't get the all famous nose glow ;-) jarm2, You can't really do true black and white in Poser. I guess you could do a black and white tex map and make sure all the lights are some form of grey. It was much easier to render it in color and in PhotoShop turn it into a greyscale image, touch up the hair a bit and add some graininess. James